Rambling: Palmieri and Perreault Sign, Streaming Goalies, Rookie Thoughts (July 8)

Michael Clifford

2016-07-07

Perreault and Palmieri sign, streaming goaltenders, and thoughts on the fantasy rookie crop.

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The Jets signed Mathieu Perreault yesterday to a four-year extension with an average annual value of $4.125-million. That contract is set to start after his current contract runs out at the end of the 2016-2017 season.

From a real hockey point of view, this is an excellent deal. After the upper-tier of two-way forwards like Patrice Bergeron and Anze Kopitar, Perreault is in the next level. He’s proven to be a consistent 40-plus point guy, and is one of the top defensive forwards in the league. All told, it’s a pretty solid contract for the Jets, and provides five years of security for Perreault.

For fantasy, it’s a wonder when that one season will come for Perreault. Up until this past season, his point per minute rate among all NHL forwards was excellent for his career. The problem there was there are a lot of smaller samples for those individual seasons as Perreault had typically been a depth player. In 2015-2016, he played a career-high 16:33 per game.

The only reason that Perreault didn’t push a 50-point season last year was his abysmal shooting rate. At five-on-five, Perreault shot 3.12-percent. For his career, up until last season, Perreault shot over 15.6-percent at five-on-five. It is hard for me to imagine that there is not a significant turnaround in this regard for the 2016-2017 season. This isn’t some guy in his mid-thirties that is in a serious decline; Perreault turned 28 in January. If Perreault shoots around 15-percent like he typically has, he has 50 points last year.

Nothing else was egregiously out line for Perreault last year; his production on the power play was probably a bit high, but maybe by a few points.

Perreault’s usage next year is going to be key here. With Andrew Ladd gone, I think there’s a good chance for Perreault to play in the top-six. It would make sense for both Perreault and Nikolaj Ehlers to be on the top two lines, then allow the younger players like Marko Dano and Adam Lowry to play easier competition on the bottom two lines. I think that allows Perreault to have a pretty consistent ice time from last year.

A rebound in goal scoring, with a top-six role and consistent power play minutes, should allow Perreault to finally break that 50-point barrier next year (with health, which is always a concern with him). He will not be a roto stud because of a lack of peripherals, but Perreault can be solid depth in points-only leagues. 

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It’s not a big secret that the Devils are lacking in offence. Playing low-event hockey and having an all-world goalie has kept this team somewhat afloat over the last few years. At the same time, teams need to score to win, and the Devils locked up a big piece of their offence yesterday, signing forward Kyle Palmieri for five years with an average annual value of $4.65-million.

The 25-year old Palmieri had a career year last season with 30 goals and 57 points. Normally, “career year” and “New Jersey Devils” should be enough to scare people away in fantasy for the following year. The expectation would be a reasonable regression down in production. Let’s hold that thought for a second.

At five-on-five, Palmieri was all over the place. At 1.58 points per 60 minutes, it was about equal to what he did the year before (1.51), but well below his career rate to that point of 1.96. He set a career-high in five-on-five points (29) because he also set a career-high in 5v5 ice time by over 370 minutes. That off-set the fact that he had a five-year low in on-ice shooting percentage – the rate at which the Devils scored with him on the ice.

One concern is that the rate at which he garnered a point on goals scored with him on the ice (individual points percentage, or IPP) was nearly 88-percent after being about 70-percent for his career. Not that it is unusual for a player to get more involved as he takes on a bigger role and ages, but that is a big number that should come down. Given his team’s low shooting rate with him on the ice, a rebound there could help concerns about a drop in IPP.  

My biggest worry is that New Jersey’s power play, with Palmieri on the ice, was ludicrous last year. This was the top-10 in team shooting rates with a specific player on the ice on the power play for the 2015-2016 season (from Hockey Analysis):

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The addition of Taylor Hall will help, but it remains to be seen how New Jersey’s power play will be deployed. Four forwards on the top unit with Hall-Palmieri-Cammalleri-Henrique makes sense, or maybe they are spread over two power plays.

Palmieri’s contract is a good one for the team, and he’s a good player. I have a difficult time believing, though, that he’s going to surpass 20 power play points. Maybe an increase in five-on-five points makes up for a drop in PPP, but I am skeptical for now.  

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Just a quick word on streaming goaltenders.

For readers that may be unfamiliar, streaming goaltenders essentially means leaving one roster spot free to add/drop goalies throughout the season that are on the waiver wire, and in good situations, for maybe a few games. It’s a nice idea in theory, but I have a few issues with this:

  1. In a 12-team league, with three goalies a team, every starter is gone, as well as the elite backups or time-shares. I know it varies from league to league, but most leagues I play in, some teams even have four goalies. So now we’re at least 40 goalies deep into the player pool. Last year, there were 69 goalies that played at least 10 games. After the first 40 goalies, that leaves 29 goalies in the pool to select from. Of those 29 goalies, from Hockey Reference, only 11 of them had both at least a league-average save percentage of .915, and league-average goals against average of 2.51. To help ratios, a goalie should be roughly a .918 goalie with a 2.40 or better GAA. There were eight goalies that fit that criteria out of the original pool of 29. See how hard it is to pick the right goalie?
  2. There will be other league mates looking to stream as well. For those that can’t get to the free agency pool early in the morning, you may end up with the second, third, or worse choice of the day. As just demonstrated, it’s hard enough to get it right as it is?
  3. “Well I’ll just pick goalies facing the Sabres, or Devils, or Canucks, or…” If this is a thought, please see number-2 above. Fantasy owners may not get the matchup they were looking for.
  4. Goalies are inherently difficult to project over a full season, let alone a single day (which is a bane for daily fantasy players). Braden Holtby had an .892 save percentage last year in two games against Colorado with a 2.50 GAA, but had a .946 save percentage with a 1.50 GAA in two games against Boston. Go figure.

This isn’t just to say that streaming goalies cannot work. I have done it to some success in the past, as others surely have. What I am saying is that going into a fantasy draft with the thought of “I’ll just stream goalies” is not a good thought process. Streaming goalies should be a result of your draft, not a main tenet the way you draft. If goalies fall on the draft board, then it makes little sense to hold out on drafting goalies just because of the desire to stream. Similarly, if goalies are going high on the draft board, then employing a streaming strategy once the season starts may be the best course of action.

It is hard to pick goalies on the right day, and there is competition for the goalie pool among league mates. Be flexible on draft day, and be prepared to employ different strategies.

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I just wanted to get a feel from the readers about what the thoughts are next year with regards to the crop of rookies coming into the league. Last year, between Connor McDavid, Jack Eichel, Artemi Panarin, Shayne Gostisbehere, Dylan Larkin, and others, there was a plethora of useful rookie talent that I don’t remember since just after the 2005 lockout. This year, there are names like Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner (maybe?), Patrik Laine, Jesse Puljujarvi, Dylan Strome, and others, there looks to be a few useful names this year as well.

Let me know in the comments where you guys stand on drafting the rookies in a one-year (i.e. non-keeper/dynasty league) next season.

Just thinking out loud here, I worry about the value for Matthews and Marner next year. Mike Babcock has never really been one to give starring roles to rookies, and the only reason guys like William Nylander were given such roles last year was a mix of the roster being decimated by injuries, and decimated by the front office. I’m not sure that will be the case this year.

Truthfully, I think the wingers – likely Laine – will have more value in the 2016-2017 season than guys like Strome or Matthews. What say you?

*Stats from Hockey Reference and Hockey Analysis. Cap information from Cap Friendly

11 Comments

  1. scdakotart2000 2016-07-07 at 23:13

    I haven’t had a chance to watch Laine/Matthews/Strome. From what I read and research I have done, I think Laine will make the biggest impact. I don’t think this year you will see a dominating performer such as Panarin/McDavid. Panarin had a good bit of experience in the KHL against a higher level of competition. Plus, you have to look at the situation. Panarin had a dream situation. Don’t think any of the rookies will fall into that scenario playing with a Patrick Kane caliber player. McDavid is a generational talent and just a freak of nature. Not to detract from any of the aforementioned rookies this year, but i would be surprised if any of them reach the 60 point mark respectively. I think Laine would be my highest ranked. Maybe 4th-5th round at highest?

    • John 2016-07-08 at 05:55

      The rookies always go in the top 4-5 in my pool. Using Fantrax, numerous positions got flipped to C, making Laine, a RW, possibly more valuable than Matthews.

  2. Ryan Ma 2016-07-08 at 01:37

    Re: Streaming Goalies

    “Streaming goalies should be a result of your draft, not a main tenet the way you draft.” I would argue otherwise… If you are going to stream goalies then you go into your drafts with that strategy in mind and draft accordingly.

    Now my definition of streaming may differ from yours. I’ve seen it first hand in the RHRS league where “experts” have streamed goalies and it has been very effective. But it goes beyond just “leaving an extra roster spot open” to pick and drop goalies whenever you want. There is a lot of thought process in terms of do I or don’t I start this goalie.

    What you would do is instead of going the traditional way of drafting 2 goalies for 2 goalie roster spots and sitting on them for the entire duration of the year, you would draft 3 or 4 and then you “pick and choose” when to start/sit the goalies to maximize potential. Of course this is where micromanaging of rosters is very important and “bean counting” becomes vital and whether or not you can be bothered checking matchups every single day… but then again this is what separates champions from the 11 other losers in a pool…

    Take a look at this example, John Gibson’s splits: 13-7-3, 1.80 GAA and .930 SP at home vs. 8-6-1, 2.43 GAA and . 907 SP. Same with Schneider 14-12-2, 2.06 GAA and .933 SP on the road vs. 13-13-4, 2.22 GAA and .914 SP. Luongo 14-10-4, 2.19 GAA and .928 SP vs. 21-9-2, 2.48 GAA and .916 SP. Even Pavelec had interesting splits, 7-8-2, 2.52 GAA and .916 SP vs. 6-5-2, 3.11 GAA and .888 SP.

    If you are a “streamer” you would look at the numbers and then pick and choose your starts. If you draft more goalies than the allotted goalie slots, it gives you plenty of flexibility to selectively guide your decision-making process. Even the 38th ranked goalie in terms of wins (Pavelec) can provide you with favourable numbers (if you go by your 2.40 GAA and .918 SP line). You just have to be smart with your choices. Selecting a goalie playing on the road against the top offensive teams at home (Dallas/Pittsburgh), you bench. Selecting a goalie playing at home against the worst offensive teams on the road (Toronto, Arizona, Carolina, Jersey) you start!

    If you follow a few simple rules like these above, you could easily pull together Holtby numbers (48-9-7, 2.20 GAA and .922 SP), with a combination of Pavelec, Mike Smith, Jacob Markstrom without spending your first round pick on securing top goalie services.

    Of course this is for roto-leagues with max games. H2H you might as well put your money on the roulette table…

    • Masta_Byte 2016-07-08 at 08:15

      Definitely some good strategies. I think the original idea was leaning more towards: come into your draft open minded to maximize your value,
      rather than: you should manage your goalies a certain way

      Winning in a skilled league almost always requires micromanaging your goalies to a degree, unless you are lucky and get to ride some crazy hot streaks.

  3. Chris Liggio 2016-07-08 at 06:59

    you think NJ will load the top line next season (Hall/Henrique/Palmieri)? I own Hall in a keeper it has been a constant question on my mind…..regarding rookies in a draft; potential never usurps proven production in my mind, McDavid went round 5 in my one year last season and I would never at that point (I drafted Kopitar that round). Fact of the matter is to me a kid has a learning curve to overcome as well as physical maturing to do before they are reaching their full production potential so I would much rather draft a player in the 24-28 yrs. old range who is in prime and has a track record. Generational players are few adn far between over course of time the rest usually take time and in a one year I am looking for immediate epeak production, not willing to get caught up on a rookie name regardless the hype.

  4. SeaDawg 2016-07-08 at 08:05

    I have a feeling Matthews will be used quite a bit in Toronto, partly because he is very good and physically mature, and partly because Toronto doesn’t really have many other options.
    I once read that the reason Detroit never really rushed their young players into the lineup is because they never had the luxury of having a high (i.e., top 10) draft pick. Often Detroit was drafting players in the late rounds, so they were reaching for prospects, etc.
    If you consider Larkin as a recent example where they picked a bit earlier than normal, Larkin actually was given an opportunity sooner than most Detroit prospects.
    Anyway, my point is that I think Matthews will be leaning on quite a bit as a rookie, and I think he will be just fine. I expect 60-65 pts from him in his rookie year, which should give him the Calder Trophy.
    I don’t expect much from Laine because quite frankly he doesn’t have a strong center to play with. Puljujarvi might surprise, especially if he plays with McDavid, but I also think there is a very good chance he starts in the AHL.
    I could see Strome getting 50-55 pts, which is pretty good for a rookie, but not quite good enough to be drafted in most one-year non-keeper leagues.

  5. Striker 2016-07-08 at 09:15

    I’ve been messing around with line combinations & things change due to injuries, illness, hot & cold streaks, a coaches thoughts on any given day but here’s what I have to start the season.

    Ehlers, Scheifele, Wheeler.
    Perreault, Little, Laine.
    Matthias, Burmistrov, Stafford.
    Lowry, Copp, Armia.
    Spare Thorburn.

    Winnipeg has a ton of players that are natural C’s that may have to play the wing. Perreault, Lowry, Matthias. Perreault could move to the 3rd line C spot & maintain his 1st line PP duty as a point man.

    Perreault at #3C option.

    Lines 1 & 4 stay the same.
    Stafford, Little, Laine.
    Burmistrov, Perreault, Mattias.

    Winnipeg surprised me bringing in Matthias. Not that I have any issue with the signing but Armia & Lipon both have to clear waivers this year to be sent down & I don’t think either will, someone would claim both so unless Winnipeg solves this issue via trade, players that are waiver exempt probably get sent down to start the season until injuries or a trade open a roster spot. Specifically Dano assuming Laine is a lock to make the roster which I assume he is.

    • Mark 2016-07-08 at 13:06

      Kyle Connor doesn’t make the team? I have a hard time believing he doesn’t, but we’ll see. As for Burmistrov, I think the Jets may be moving on. If he stays with the club then I see him being a fourth line centre and Copp playing with the Moose this season.

      • Mark 2016-07-08 at 13:37

        …or maybe Burmi is the 3rd line centre with Connor and Stafford as wingmen and Mattias slots in as the 4th line centre…(which isn’t great given his awful FOW %).

      • Striker 2016-07-08 at 14:05

        I don’t disagree with you at all. All my line up projections are based on what we know today. In today’s NHL the business side often takes precedence over the player. No team just wants to lose assets for nothing.

        Connor may have to go down until Winnipeg can find solutions to the personal issues, which is part of why the Matthias signing doesn’t make sense to me. Just 1 more body to have to accommodate on their 23 man roster. If Conno simply steals a spot & there is always room at the top, see Dylan Larkin being the 1st 19 year old to make Detroits roster in 25 years. Something has to give.

        Yes Copp could go down, as he doesn’t have to clear wavers & any # of people could take the #4 C spot including Burmistrov or Lowry.

        Perhaps in that scenario Matthias moves down to the 3rd or 4th line depending upon who moves to the #4 C spot & Stafford moves to LW to make room for Connor.

        A ton of scenario’s & we are essentially on the same page. I have Connor in all 3 of my fantasy leagues stashed away on my prospects list. Add dropped him in November. There to sit now until he has to be activated.

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