Top 215 Prospects

Written by Dobber

Monday, 10 November 2008 19:00

Here is the list of Top 215 prospects to own in your deep fantasy pool. This is not a reflection of a player’s actual upside in the NHL, but more of an indicator of his value in pools. It takes into account how many years away from the NHL a player is, as well as his upside. A potential 70-point player who is two years away is more valuable than a potential 80-point player who is four years away. Hockey pools with 300 or more players drafted should have most of the top 50 on the below list on one of the teams. Pools that are even deeper than that, may find some use in the rest of this list. Pools with 250 players may find use in only the top 20 or 30.As with the Fantasy Player list – these players are evaluated only for their offensive potential, and not for their penalty minutes, plus/minus or defense, etc. Goalies are not included in this list either.

My Prospect Ratings are NOT the same as my Fantasy Ratings, although Fantasy Ratings are taken into account. The term 'prospect' is simply my opinion, and I followed no rules to say whether or not the player is actually a prospect other than age (under 27), and the player must belong to an NHL team.

Updated the 10th, of every month.

Key
o = offensive
t = two-way
p = power forward
d = defenseman
os = offensive (small player)

AVAILABLE NOW! Dobber's Fantasy Prospects Report 2010

April/May/June graduates: R. O'Reilly (39), Regin (48), Sobotka (42), Kennedy (7)

Jul 20	Prospect	Team	type	Prospect Rating	Jun 20	May 10
1	Taylor Hall	EDM	o	115.6	NR	NR
2	Tyler Seguin	BOS	o	109.0	NR	NR
3	Jordan Eberle	EDM	o	93.7	1	1
4	Nikita Filatov	CBJ	o	88.0	2	2
5	Tyler Ennis	BUF	os	87.1	3	3
6	Tyler Bozak	TOR	o	83.5	4	4
7	Kyle Turris	PHO	o	80.3	5	5
8	Logan Couture	SJ	t	78.2	6	14
9	Cody Hodgson	VAN	t	75.1	7	8
10	Brayden Schenn	LA	o	73.8	13	11
11	Lars Eller	MTL	o	73.6	17	33
12	Mikael Backlund	CGY	o	73.5	9	9
13	Joe Colborne	BOS	o	73.1	10	10
14	Mikkel Boedker	PHO	o	73.0	8	6
15	Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson	EDM	o	72.7	12	16
16	Brett MacLean	PHO	o	71.8	11	24
17	Viktor Stalberg	CHI	o	71.2	14	13
18	Colin Wilson	NSH	t	70.8	15	12
19	Michael Grabner	FLA	o	70.6	23	21
20	Nazem Kadri	TOR	o	69.7	16	15
21	Zach Boychuk	CAR	o	69.2	18	17
22	Ville Leino	PHI	o	69.0	19	69
23	Oscar Moller	LA	o	68.7	22	20
24	Max Pacioretty	MTL	p	68.6	20	18
25	Shawn Matthias	FLA	p	68.5	21	19
26	Evgeny Grachev	NYR	p	67.6	24	22
27	Drayson Bowman	CAR	o	67.6	25	23
28	Nino Niederreiter	NYI	o	66.3	NR	NR
29	Nathan Gerbe	BUF	os	65.9	26	26
30	Luca Caputi	TOR	o	65.8	27	29
31	Jiri Tlusty	CAR	t	65.7	28	31
32	Mattias Tedenby	NJ	o	65.4	29	25
33	Evgeny Kuznetsov	WAS	o	65.4	NR	NR
34	Eric Tangradi	PIT	p	65.1	30	27
35	Gustav Nyquist	DET	o	65.0	36	34
36	Tomas Tatar	DET	o	64.9	31	28
37	Vladimir Tarasenko	STL	o	64.8	NR	NR
38	Cal O'Reilly	NSH	t	64.7	32	32
39	Mathieu Perreault	WAS	os	64.0	33	36
40	Brandon Yip	COL	o	63.7	35	35
41	Edward Purcell	TB	o	63.6	34	30
42	Dustin Jeffrey	PIT	o	63.5	38	44
43	Derek Stepan	NYR	o	62.9	39	57
44	Sergei Shirokov	VAN	o	62.6	37	37
45	Kirill Kabanov	NYI	o	62.4	NR	NR
46	Chris Kreider	NYR	o	62.3	41	39
47	Petr Straka	CBJ	o	61.9	NR	NR
48	Ben Maxwell	MTL	t	61.2	42	41
49	Michal Repik	FLA	o	61.1	43	43
50	Linus Omark	EDM	os	61.0	45	48
51	Kirill Petrov	NYI	o	60.7	52	55
52	Jordan Schroeder	VAN	o	60.4	46	45
53	Ryan Johansen	CBJ	o	60.3	NR	NR
54	Francois Bouchard	WAS	o	60.3	44	42
55	Andrei Loktionov	LA	t	60.2	54	52
56	Jacob Josefson	NJ	t	60.2	48	59
57	Jeremy Morin	CHI	o	60.2	60	60
58	Vladimir Zharkov	NJ	o	60.1	49	40
59	Tom Wandell	DAL	o	60.0	50	56
60	Jan Mursak	DET	o	59.9	55	47
61	Kevin Porter	COL	o	59.7	53	51
62	Dan Sexton	ANA	os	59.7	57	54
63	Ryan Stoa	COL	p	59.5	56	53
64	Beau Bennett	PIT	o	59.3	NR	NR
65	Jack Skille	CHI	t	59.2	51	49
66	Mikael Granlund	MIN	o	59.1	NR	NR
67	Zac Dalpe	CAR	o	58.8	58	58
68	Chris Terry	CAR	o	58.2	59	61
69	Peter Holland	ANA	t	58.1	61	81
70	Carter Ashton	TB	p	58.1	62	65
71	Jesse Joensuu	NYI	p	57.7	66	67
72	Maxime Sauve	BOS	o	57.1	64	63
73	Ryan Jones	EDM	t	57.0	67	70
74	Trevor Lewis	LA	o	56.9	68	68
75	Scott Parse	LA	o	56.9	47	46
76	Brett Connolly	TB	o	56.8	NR	NR
77	Jamie McGinn	SJ	t	56.6	63	50
78	Dmitri Kugryshev	WAS	o	56.4	65	64
79	Louis Leblanc	MTL	o	56.3	69	83
80	Calle Järnkrok	DET	o	55.9	NR	NR
81	Nick Bonino	ANA	o	55.8	75	75
82	Austin Watson	NSH	o	55.8	NR	NR
83	Benn Ferriero	SJ	o	55.8	76	87
84	Matt Halischuk	NSH	t	55.7	73	66
85	Michael Santorelli	NSH	o	55.5	74	74
86	Brock Trotter	MTL	o	55.5	110	119
87	Kyle Beach	CHI	p	55.2	78	82
88	T.J. Hensick	STL	os	55.1	71	71
89	Joey Hishon	COL	t	54.9	NR	NR
90	Jori Lehtera	STL	o	54.7	81	90
91	Kevin Hayes	CHI	p	54.7	NR	NR
92	Nick Spaling	NSH	o	54.7	79	62
93	Evgeni Dadonov	FLA	o	54.5	80	84
94	Danny Kristo	MTL	o	54.4	107	162
95	Igor Makarov	CHI	o	54.4	77	80
96	Matt Beleskey	ANA	p	54.2	103	73
97	David McIntyre	NJ	o	54.0	83	78
98	Riley Holzapfel	ATL	t	53.7	85	93
99	Nicholas Deschamps	ANA	o	53.6	115	138
100	Anton Gustafsson	WAS	t	53.4	82	88
101	Landon Ferraro	DET	o	53.4	86	89
102	Scott Glennie	DAL	o	53.3	87	95
103	Austin Smith	DAL	o	53.3	116	121
104	Andreas Nodl	PHI	t	53.2	70	72
105	Ryan Stone	CGY	p	53.1	91	108
106	Patrick Maroon	PHI	p	53.0	72	76
107	Viktor Tikhonov	PHO	o	53.0	84	98
108	Brad Marchand	BOS	os	52.7	90	100
109	Brett Sonne	STL	o	52.7	94	105
110	Alexander Vasyunov	NJ	o	52.5	92	92
111	Marcus Johansson	WAS	t	52.2	88	96
112	Spencer Machacek	ATL	t	52.1	96	106
113	Carl Soderberg	BOS	o	51.9	95	102
114	Dana Tyrell	TB	o	51.7	97	109
115	Angelo Esposito	ATL	o	51.4	98	86
116	Carl Klingberg	ATL	o	51.2	99	110
117	Justin Abdelkader	DET	p	51.2	93	99
118	Alexander Avtsyn	MTL	o	51.1	106	107
119	Simon Hjalmarsson	STL	o	50.6	102	117
120	Zach Hamill	BOS	o	50.4	100	111
121	Chris Didomenico	CHI	o	49.8	117	126
122	Rhett Rakhshani	NYI	os	49.7	114	103
123	Kaspars Daugavins	OTT	o	49.7	108	101
124	Greg Nemisz	CGY	p	49.4	109	116
125	Aaron Palushaj	MTL	o	49.0	113	79
126	Martins Karsums	TB	t	48.9	111	94
127	Jared Staal	CAR	o	48.9	104	115
128	Matt D'Agostini	STL	o	48.4	105	77
129	Taylor Beck	NSH	p	48.2	118	113
130	Marcus Kruger	CHI	o	48.2	119	125
131	Michael Blunden	CBJ	p	47.7	101	114
132	Paul Szczechura	TB	o	47.5	112	127
133	Steven Zalewski	SJ	o	47.5	121	129
134	Mikhail Stefanovich	TOR	o	47.4	122	133
135	Luke Adam	BUF	p	47.3	123	131
136	Toni Rajala	EDM	o	47.3	124	132
137	Oskar Osala	CAR	p	47.0	125	137
138	Casey Pierro-Zabotel	PIT	o	46.9	120	123
139	Ondrej Roman	DAL	o	46.9	126	140
140	Maksim Mayorov	CBJ	o	46.8	128	104
141	Corey Tropp	BUF	o	46.8	134	146
142	Andre Petersson	OTT	os	46.7	129	122
143	Nick Bjugstad	FLA	p	46.7	NR	NR
144	Brett Sterling	PIT	os	46.6	127	134
145	Brandon Pirri	CHI	o	46.4	130	142
146	Adam Henrique	NJ	t	46.4	131	161
147	Sergei Korostin	DAL	o	46.3	132	147
148	Bobby Butler	OTT	o	46.3	133	143
149	Riley Nash	CAR	t	46.2	166	136
150	Keven Veilleux	PIT	p	46.0	135	91
151	Louie Caporusso	OTT	os	45.8	137	85
152	Richard Panik	TB	o	45.7	138	150
153	Mats Zuccarello-Aasen	NYR	os	45.5	140	NR
154	Chris Brown	PHO	p	45.4	141	153
155	Mark Olver	COL	o	45.4	142	154
156	Mike Hoffman	OTT	o	45.1	145	158
157	Jacob Lagace	BUF	o	45.1	146	159
158	Chad Kolarik	CBJ	o	45.0	147	118
159	Mikko Lehtonen	BOS	o	44.9	144	157
160	Dany Masse	MTL	o	44.9	148	112
161	Greg McKegg	TOR	o	44.9	NR	NR
162	Ethan Werek	NYR	o	44.8	149	135
163	Bill Sweatt	TOR	o	44.8	161	120
164	Erik Haula	MIN	o	44.6	153	167
165	Jonas Enlund	ATL	o	44.4	152	165
166	Jannik Hansen	VAN	o	44.1	139	152
167	Juraj Mikus	LA	o	44.0	154	169
168	Colin Greening	OTT	o	44.0	155	170
169	David Kveton	NYR	o	43.8	156	141
170	Vili Sopanen	NJ	o	43.8	157	172
171	David Desharnais	MTL	os	43.8	192	NR
172	Cameron Atkinson	CBJ	os	43.6	NR	NR
173	Tom Pyatt	MTL	t	43.5	159	203
174	Jerry D'Amigo	TOR	p	43.3	160	160
175	Brandon McMillan	ANA	o	43.3	162	173
176	Maxim Trunev	MTL	o	43.3	163	124
177	Stefan Della Rovere	WAS	o	43.2	164	174
178	Tomas Vincour	DAL	o	43.1	167	176
179	Derek Grant	OTT	o	43.1	168	177
180	Perttu Lindgren	DAL	o	43.0	169	179
181	Akim Aliu	ATL	o	42.9	143	144
182	Stefan Legein	PHI	t	42.8	171	187
183	Patrice Cormier	ATL	p	42.7	197	209
184	Mike Hoeffel	NJ	o	42.6	172	182
185	Dick Axelsson	DET	p	42.6	173	128


Jul 20	Prospect	Team	type	Prospect Rating	Jun 20	May 10
1	Erik Karlsson	OTT	d	84.8	1	1
2	John Carlson	WAS	d	75.0	2	2
3	P.K. Subban	MTL	d	67.3	3	3
4	Kevin Shattenkirk	COL	d	66.8	4	4
5	Jonathan Blum	NSH	d	65.6	5	5
6	Oliver Ekman-Larsson	PHO	d	63.9	6	12
7	Jamie McBain	CAR	d	63.6	7	6
8	Alex Pietrangelo	STL	d	60.1	8	7
9	Jason Demers	SJ	d	58.9	9	9
10	Cody Franson	NSH	d	57.3	10	10
11	Jakub Kindl	DET	d	56.8	11	11
12	Bobby Sanguinetti	CAR	d	55.7	12	8
13	Maxim Goncharov	PHO	d	54.9	13	16
14	Cam Fowler	ANA	d	54.2	NR	NR
15	Brendan Smith	DET	d	53.7	14	13
16	Luca Sbisa	ANA	d	53.4	16	15
17	John Moore	CBJ	d	50.3	17	18
18	Marco Scandella	MIN	d	50.3	18	19
19	Brandon Gormley	PHO	d	49.1	NR	NR
20	Karl Alzner	WAS	d	49.0	19	20
21	Ivan Vishnevskiy	CHI	d	48.5	15	14
22	Matt Gilroy	NYR	d	48.0	20	21
23	Ryan Ellis	NSH	d	47.9	21	22
24	Patrick Wiercioch	OTT	d	47.7	22	23
25	Slava Voynov	LA	d	47.6	23	39
26	Thomas Hickey	LA	d	47.1	24	17
27	Calvin de Haan	NYI	d	46.7	25	24
28	Derek Joslin	SJ	d	46.1	26	25
29	Taylor Chorney	EDM	d	45.6	27	26
30	Colby Robak	FLA	d	45.5	28	27

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remmalf said:

	Casey Wellman I can't find Casey Wellman from the Wild. Not yet rated ?
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July 28, 2010
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Jon Dey said:

	What, Jeff Skinner isn't good enough to make the cut? He only scored the highest amount of goals in the REGs and led for most of the OHL playoffs losing to Hall by 2 points, and was the 7th overall pick. But, No, your right he isn't good enough to make 185 skaters. Let me ask, who owns Greg KcKegg in there league? Or has no one heard of him and just think he has a snappy name.
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July 20, 2010
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Ted Neal said:

	who will get more points in my league D men get 1.5 fof every point and forwards just 1 Who should I take with my first round pick PK Subban John Carlson or Tyler Ennis
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July 13, 2010
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fzusher said:

	Beleskey? What's with his big drop? Any news I am unaware of? Other big sliders like D'Agostini and Palushaj had rotten seasons, but Beleskey made exactly the kind of progress you could reasonably expect - managed to cement a top squad spot, and I don't think anyone should have expected him to make the top-6 right off the bat.
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June 12, 2010
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derek said:

	MZA What do you think Mats Zuccarello Aasen's upside is?
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May 09, 2010
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Rob Verhelle said:

	Looking Good Deschamps sky rockets up too 160, still....of the ones i know , should be higher than Legace Trotter and definately Chipchura who is the forth center in Anaheim, but he cracks the list
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March 20, 2010
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tradejunkie said:

	Carlson/Karlsson So, how does Karlsson (1) rank higher than Carlson (2) on the prospects chart, but it's reversed on the "Top Defencemen" (62 vs 4? How different is the criteria on these charts vs. the Defencemen lists?
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March 18, 2010
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studley49 said:

	... Thanks for the info Dobber! Thought anyone looking here might find this fact about Brett MacLean interesting. In his last 24 games he has 8 goals and 17 assists for 25 points. Pretty impressive if you ask me.
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March 14, 2010
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Carlos said:

	Re: Alexander Avtsin Alexander Avtsin 2009-2010 MHC Dynamo MHL 12 4 3 7 Dynamo Moskva KHL 30 3 6 9 *I believe he was injured during the first round of the KHL playoffs, doesn't matter cause Dynamo Moskva have been eliminated.
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March 14, 2010
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Bill Graham said:

	Alex Avtsyn - 2009 Draft Monteal. Hi Dobber, any chance of an update re Russian Alexander Avtsyn (#96 on list) who was drafted by Montreal 2009. Can't find anything on how and where he is playing this year. See you moved him up quite a bit, so you must have something on him. Thanks.
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March 14, 2010 | url
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Dobber said:

	... Here are the next d-men on the list, just missing this cut: Hillen, Junland, Gragnani, Lee, LaPoint, Gunnarsson, Josi, Voynov, Runblad Here are the next forwards in order: O'Brien, Hoeffel, Samson, McArdle, T. Smith, Palmeiri, Hanson, Drazenovic, O'Dell, R. Bourque
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March 14, 2010
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Dobber said:

	... Eakin - 241 Howse - 251 Hartikainen - 227 Kessel - not on the list of 120 d-man prospects who I track. Thanks for drawing my attention to him, I will add him and see where he pops out.
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March 14, 2010
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Brendan Connolly said:

	Gustav Nyquist Hi Dobber, I drafted Nyquist based on your prospect report so I'm glad to see him moving up the list. Has something changed that made him jump from the 90's to the 30's? Thanks!
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March 13, 2010
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Bill Graham said:

	Jeremy Morin Looking good Dobber. See Morin is moving up the latter. This kid just oozes talent. Natural goal score who isn't afraid to go into the tough areas to score. Atlanta has a real steal at 45th last years draft. He and Skinner (2010 draft) are just score, score with Kitchener in OHL. Go see them, and enjoy.
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March 13, 2010
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studley49 said:

Missing the Cut
There's obviously a ton more I could come up with but these are the biggest omissions I could come up with based on your list. I was just wondering where the likes of these guys are at compared to others amongst the plethora of NHL prospects.

Cody Eakin (F, WSH) - 46 goals, 86 points in 68 WHL GP
> the WSH factor helps boost Kugryshev, but what about Eakin?
Ryan Howse (W, CGY) - 46 goals, 70 points in 70 WHL GP
> CGY needs a guy with that kind of scoring upside to develop ASAP. smilies/wink.gif

Teemu Hartikainen (F, EDM) - 12 goals, 28 points in 47 SM-Liiga GP
> played very well for Finland at the past two WJCs, so I was just wondering what makes Sopanen a better Finnish prospect. Size?
Blake Kessel (D, NYI) - 8 goals, 33 points in 33 NCAA GP
> obviously only the top 30 d-men are shown, so I'm assuming he's on the cusp of making this list?

Cheers!

March 12, 2010
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Dobber said:

	... Look at it this way Ryan - if he was still in LA, he would have dropped to 50th or worse.
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March 12, 2010
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ryan harrison said:

	... No movement on Purcell even though he caught "lightning" and found himself in a much favorable position?
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March 12, 2010
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Dobber said:

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Chris - haha - I just caught that myself, running through it. I was wondering why the hell he wasn't on my list and I added him. Turns out he was already there. At least my independent projections of him agree haha

Rob - no way Deschamps is in the NHL in two years. Not a chance. But he's steadily rising and you should see him appear on this list very soon.

Jake - yes, he's ready. Until the last couple of months, I wasn't 100% convinced of him not being sent down. Now I am very convinced.

March 09, 2010
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Jake said:

	Graduates I think Downie should have graduated by now. Also, never knew Wandell had such a good upside. Interesting.
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February 26, 2010
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Rob Verhelle said:

	Deschamps ????? Where is the Top scorer of the Q ???, Nicholas Deschamps, he has the speed and now with the trade too Moncton this guy is burning up the league. With a NHL contract in his pocket I think Deschamps will be fighting for a spot in 2 years in Anaheim.
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February 18, 2010
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Chris Lavell said:

	Morin Just so you know for next month, Dobber, you have Jeremy Morin at both 167 and 180 on the skaters list for February.
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February 15, 2010
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travis grant said:

	Thanks Rossi - my bad right under my nose.
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February 09, 2010
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Rossi said:

	Re: Swazzy Dobber does list the most recent graduates right before the posted list. Read through the first paragraph before the list and you'll find it there
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February 09, 2010
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swazzy said:

...
Thanks for the analysis...always a good read. I find it interesting to see:

Riley Nash sits at 129 --> 6'1 175, 14 pts in 18 games (3rd season at Cornell)

vs

Derek Stephan at 175 --> 6'0 175, Top scorer at the World Juniors this year, 31 pts in 25 games so far this year (his second year with Wisconsin)

I don't really see Nash stepping into the Oil any time soon, at least not before Stephan is ready in NYR...but your thoughts, not mine.

One suggestion - it would be nice if you could list/name the players that you have recently graduated.

Cheers

February 09, 2010
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Dobber said:

	... Stewy - Kane graduated as a prospect in my eyes like three months ago... Derrek - Lehtonen is ranked around 203
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February 09, 2010
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Derrek said:

Mikko Lehtonen
Was going through drafts on Hockeydb and saw this guy's name.
Then noticed he's doing ok in the AHL this year, and he was pretty close to Brad Marchand last year in Providence. I've yet to see him play, but did a bit more digging and saw that he played with Oskar Osala, who you have on the list at 116.
Maybe Mikko's upside isn't as high, but should this guy even be on anyone's radar right now, or is he just a late 3rd round pick by the Bruis that will never make a fantasy impact?

January 27, 2010
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Stewy said:

	Evander Kane Am I blind or is Evander Kane not on the list here? If I'm not blind, then why is he not on the list? Seems like he would at least be a top 5 guy!
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January 11, 2010
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Bill Graham said:

	... Interesting you haven't pickup on Atlanta's 2009 2nd #45 pick LW Jeremy Morin. He is playing with OHL Kitchener. Putting up pretty big numbers for a rookie. Thought his skating was an issue, but saw him play, and didn't see his skating as an issue. Check him out.
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December 15, 2009
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kyle said:

	... Holy shit Benn is 20th among forwards in hits and 5th among forwards in takeaways.
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December 14, 2009
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sentium said:

	... Kris, you have to factor in time until the player breaks into the NHL as well. Tatar is a ways away still.
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December 13, 2009
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Kris said:

Tatar
Alright Dobber, I drafted Tatar based largely on your pumping his potential and this year he's exceeded the expectations of most and looks to be gaining momentum as the season goes on. He's been on a tear for his last 12 games and is more than holding his own as the youngest player in the AHL. So, how is he ranked 115 on this list???? I own guys in my keeper league who are ranked a full 60-70 spots higher than him and I wouldn't even hesitate to drop them for Tatar (if I didn't already own him). I'd go so far as to say that there are guys in your top 30 that I'd drop for him.

Common Dobber, don't waffle on this guy. You were bang on with your assessment of him but your rankings don't reflect this. Time to show some love!!

December 13, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... Mason - not lack of love, Kruger slipped through the cracks. We're only two months into the season and some of the newly-surging European players I may not catch until January or February. I have him now, thank you.
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December 11, 2009
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kyle said:

	yo How would you rank that top 5 three years from now?
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December 10, 2009
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sentium said:

	... It seems like most Devils fans consider Henrique to project as a third liner anyway...
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December 10, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... Henrique is 306 this month. Several years away yet, but I'll keep an eye on him. Other questions I'll get to later.
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December 10, 2009
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Mason Black said:

	No love No love for Marcus Kruger??? He's on pace for a N. Backstrom year at the same age in the SEL and leading his team in points by a fair margin and top 8 in league scoring
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December 08, 2009
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Dave said:

	Missing? Just wondering what the reason is behind Adam Henrique not cracking the top 215? He is 3rd in the OHL in scoring (on a high powered offense granted) but was also named to the short list for Canada's WJC squad. Did you just miss him or is there a valid reason why this guy has no prospect upside? Thanks Dobbs
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December 07, 2009
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Irvin Penner said:

How many years??
Hey there!! I just took over a team in a keeper league that was last and the owner wanted to get out. I know that there is no hope for the team this year so I decided to rebuild. Have I done the wrong thing? Here are some of the players I now have on my 23 man roster. Artem Anisimov, Wayne Simmonds, Clarke MacArthur, Gilbert Brule, Sergei Shirokov, Michael Del Zotto, Daniel Girardi, Dmitry Kulikov, Zack Stortini, Evgeny Grachev, Anton Stralman, Eric Tangradi and Jeff Deslauriers. I have never been in a keeper league before am I doing anything correct? Will I ever challenge for a top spot with a team like this?
Thank-You
Irv

November 30, 2009
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Craig Maclean said:

	... 4+ years down the road, which dman gets more points? Del Zotto, Myers, Shattenkirk or Sangs?
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November 26, 2009
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lanky522 said:

	Cody Franson I'm kind of surprised that Cody Franson didn't move up the list... he only has 5 points in 10 games and is seeing +2 minutes per game on the powerplay... that's more than i can say for the vast majority of defenders listed ahead of him on the list...
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November 11, 2009
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Andrew K said:

	Jeremy Morin Why no love for this guy? He's a pure goal scorer (ala Corey Perry) and tearing up Junior this year.
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November 10, 2009
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BigP said:

	Still alot of love for TJ Hensick? U really see him making an impact in NHL?
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November 10, 2009
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Derrek said:

	Tlusty Thx for the answer about my Tlusty question last month How do you have Jamie McGinn behind guys like Ebbett and Tikhonov at this point? Just because of potential upside? Even though McGinn's in the NHL for this year on the Sharks...
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November 10, 2009
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Dobber said:

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This month's questions:
GMW - As of October 10th, Shannon was a member of an NHL team and coming off a season in which he finished with something like 25 pts in his last 35 games. Considering half of this list will never be NHL regulars, I think 42nd in fantasy value is pretty accurate. No (November 10th) he goes down somewhat, but he is still in the NHL and that can't be ignored. At his age, Martin St. Louis' career high was something like 40 points. Steve Sullivan - not even that. There's no love here... just logic.
tradejunkie - good idea...but extra work for me that I don't want to get into at this time.
Graham - OEL was 59th in the October d-man rankings. We'll see where he ends up for November - probably up a little.

November 09, 2009
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Derrek said:

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In my Keeper Prospect Draft this year(points only), I drafted Jiri Tlusty. Two or three other people had him on their radars, however since then he's been undetectable. I', wondering if he'll return to his last year's form at any point, or if he'll be Rob Schremp/Tyler Bozak kind of guy... Maybe they'll wait on him for next year and he can play with Kadri??? I know he doesn't have the 9th best prospect rating anymore, is he going to fall further than 23rd next month and continue the decline is what i want to know. (4pts in 3 AHL games is descent, yet the terrible leafs haven't even called him up)

October 15, 2009
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Oiler Fan said:

	... So do you still see Sanguinetti as number 7 on your list of Top Prospect D now that Del Zotto made the team over him?
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October 11, 2009
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Graham said:

	... Dobber, when does OEL make the D-Man list, I would think he's close to where Gonch is ranked, Phoenixly speaking. This kid's a stud. Put him in your list now so you look like Kreskin after the WJ's.
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October 11, 2009
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tradejunkie said:

	Goalies? Since you've got forwards and D broken apart so nicely, do you think you, Angus, or Justin Goldman could add a "top 20 goalie prospects" section? You've got the goalie prospects mixed in to your regular rankings already, so it might be a waste of energy, but it just seems like this would be a nice spot to have a goalie prospect list.
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October 10, 2009
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gmw said:

	... Please. enough. ryan shannon needs to be in the 100's. not 42. enough with the shannon love. he's as marketable as bubonic plague.
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October 10, 2009
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Dobber said:

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Questions from last month:
Tom - Colin Wilson minimal upside. He will not be an 80-point player. He'll be a two-way 75-point guy. His skill set at 18 is the same as David Legwand's (remember Legwand was drafted second overall? Nothing is a sure thing). Wilson is the most overrated prospect in points-only fantasy leagues. Don't mistake hype for offense. He is a great all-around player with no weakness in his game. But that doesn't translate to points. You can read all this in the Prospects Report.
Mark - Downie is horrible for points. Come on man. Against these players? He's always been a potential 65-point guy at best. Granted he brings monster PIMs to the table, but this chart doesn't measure that. See Clarkson, David; or Carcillo, Daniel for details.
bluejays - Still question Stalberg's ranking? This is why you come to dobberhockey.com - to set yourself straight!
Brett - That is correct.
Oilers Rock 99 - thank you.

October 10, 2009
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Tom said:

	Colin Wilson Dobber, you need to give us some logic on why Wilson is #32. This kid has dominated NCAA and WJC, was a high draft pick, is a ripped 213 lbs and is trying to make a team bereft of talented prospects. He even had a 3 point game against Atlanta the other day. So what gives Dobber, have you overlooked this kid or do you find that maniacal grin of his just too off-setting?
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September 26, 2009
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Mark Wilson said:

	... So i was wondering why steve downie is so low on the list??? he has awesome hands and physical play to be in the nhl if he can get his head on right... so i was wondering why he is up in the 100s???
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September 11, 2009
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sentium said:

	... Stalberg has been dominant in the ongoing prospect tournament in Kitchener. His chances of making the Leafs out of training camp this season have gone from "pretty damn unlikely" to "quite likely".
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September 10, 2009
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bluejays said:

	... Prospect rankings for September Is there any reason in particular why V.Stalberg has jumped over T.Kennedy and C.Terry? Slalberg's upside was about 72 and these guys were 78 & 85? They are all around 1-2 yrs away. Just a bit confussed, has VT's upside increased?
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September 10, 2009
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Brett said:

	Parshin Is the fact that he may never make the move to the NHL the reason Denis Parshin is ranked so low? Despite his small size, his wrist shot looks like it may be the second coming of Joe Sakic's.
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August 31, 2009
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Oilers rock 99 said:

	thank-you although I disagree with you on both points (Beach and Butler) it is great that you take the time to respond to your readers
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August 12, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... Not hard on Beach at all. Where would you put a player who may get to 75 points when he is 26, but until then will either be in the AHL or will post 30-50 points? He's no Bobby Ryan. Most power forwards do nothing until they are 26-28 years old. Butler? He's ranked 58th.
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August 12, 2009
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Dobber said:

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1) Dropping from 20-33 is not even worth a mention. From 12 thru 39 all prospects are virtually equal.
2) No and Yes.
3) Much better, in my books.
4) Time frame and size. The most talented RW on a team full of All-Star LW. You mix your questions into the same points...so my answers may not make sense. But the first sentence here was re: Schroeder and the second was re: Kugryshev
5) Palushaj has much lower upside.
6) Let's see how Kennedy does with Gerbe off his line.
7) Makarov - I believe so, but won't make the team. Still hoping for a trade here.
9) His team really sucks, which holds his offense down for the next three years or so.

August 12, 2009
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Oilers rock 99 said:

	2 questions?? a little hard on beach being so far down why no love ??? mand Chris Buttler (D) for buffalo is he just not that good or did you miss him???
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August 11, 2009
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bluejays said:

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1) Caputi drops from 20 to 33. Any reason? I realize either he or Tang will win a spot and the ranking will be much higher once that position is won. Am I right?
2) Will Kane be a converted C (hurts my league) and is Joe Colborne on 2010 team?
3) Benn is 10-15 pts higher than MPS, Bowman and Tang. Is he that much better than those 3? I have them all close even though MPS maybe a yr later.
4) Why such a low rating on Schroeder? Is it b/c of his time frame (2+ yrs)? And why such big rating for Dmitri Kugryshev who is a couple yrs away and will have a very talented line in front? Seems to me Benn should be closer to those I mentioned, and Schroeder spread higher.
5) Landon Ferrero is 3-4 yrs away with a modest 72 up. Yet he's higher than Aaron Palushaj who may challenge for a top 6 this year. What's so great about Landon?
6) Why no love for Tim Kennedy? Huge upside, 1 yr away after Gerbe, and .92 PPG in the A already. Yet ranked next to Maxim Mayorov who is said to be 3yrs away?
7) Igor Makarov what is the deal? 32, 38, now 45. Is he coming over or what?
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Matt Beleskey is rated 62nd. A 3rd and 4th line player.
9) Jesse Joensuu at 79. Could he not be a future top 6 ahead of Comeau and Berg? Plus, he's NHL ready now.

August 10, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... Pesonen was considered an NHL prospect until he signed in the KHL, so I removed him now. Yes, he just turned 27, but it's my discretion
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August 10, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... Sanguinetti is older and I think could make the team. Del Zotto will end up being better, you just have to wait an extra year. But it's close, so the difference is that one year.
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August 10, 2009
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kevinsrangers said:

	... just wondering (as a rangers fan) is Bobby Sanguinetti #8-51.9 that much better than michael del zotto #24-39.7 or is there other factors involved ?
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August 10, 2009
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wizworm said:

	... Dobber, have you given any thought to adding goalies to the prospect list? Maybe getting Justin Goldman to help out? I'm in a few keeper leauges and drafting good goalies makes a HUGE difference to your team. I managed to snag Varlamov in two of my leauges last summer before most of the other GM's knew who he was.
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August 05, 2009
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Rad64 said:

	Prospect rating system Hi Dobbs, Is there a top end limit to your formula since Filatov and Tavares are both over 100? Any chance we can see the top 50 D prospects? Thanks, Rad
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July 29, 2009
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Carcillo said:

	Pesonen "The term 'prospect' is simply my opinion, and I followed no rules to say whether or not the player is actually a prospect other than age (under 27), and the player must belong to an NHL team." Shouldn't Janne Pesonen therefore be off this list? He's 27 and doesn't belong any NHL team.
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July 27, 2009
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tradejunkie said:

	Moller and Leino Hm, curious why Moller is higher than Leino on this list, but on the top 300 players list, you have Leino above Moller??
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July 24, 2009
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donna black said:

	Corrente Does Matthew Corrente have any fantasy value in a points only pool? His numbers haven't been that good except for his PIM's ( which aren't taken into account in this ranking ). He's in a great situation in NJ but I'm surprised at his ranking even though he is probably much closer to making the NHL than others listed.
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July 14, 2009
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sentium said:

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How has Wilson "put up substantially better NCAA numbers than Jordan Schroeder (sic)"? In Wilson's first year at BU he got 12 goals and 23 assists for 35 points in 37 games. Schroeder, in his first year at University of Minnesota, got 13 goals and 32 assists for 45 points in 35 games. That's 10 more points in 2 fewer games. I'm willing to bet cold hard cash that Schroeder will outscore Wilson's totals in year two.

July 14, 2009
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Jeff said:

What's with Wilson?
Just looking at the company he's in at #29 on your list, I feel like he's not getting enough respect. Nashville doesn't exactly have a tough roster to crack and, in all fairness, he put up substantially better NCAA numbers than Jordan Shroeder (at #27). Moreover, Wilson did all that while the scouts were saying he was a great player in all 3 zones. This, to me, suggests that he's more likely to break into the NHL and put up better numbers than Jordan Shroeder, who's trying to crack a much better lineup in Vancouver at a younger age and considerably smaller stature (even undersized stature).

This isn't to take anything away from Schroeder, who clearly has great offensive instincts. Still, I'd give schroeder a min. of 2 more years before he breaks the lineup in VAN, mainly because of his size and room for defensive improvement.

July 14, 2009
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bluejays said:

	... I thought MPS was 1 yr too...... In regards to not being in a rink for 2 yrs.....What about Ferrero? He is like 3-4 yrs away and has much less upside, but is still ranked in the 60's? Van Rym has been top 10 for 3 yrs and we all knew he would be awhile, and then being a power forward, we knew he'd be another few years before fantasy worthy numbers, yet.....
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July 14, 2009
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sentium said:

	... Dobber, MPS signed a one-year extension with Timrå in February, not a two-year extension. I don't know where you're getting that two-year thing from.
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July 13, 2009
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Dobber said:

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Schenn vs. Kane - I have Schenn as 99% certain to be in the NHL and reach his upside of 78 points. Kane I have as 78% certain to be in the NHL and reach his upside of 85 points. That certainty is your difference. Although, upon reflection I have bumped Kane up to 85% for next update.

Blue Jay - I love MPS, you are preaching to the choir here. The reason he is so low is that he is committed to Sweden for two more years. So if you own him, he will give you zero for two years. And is he really that low? For a player who won't even set foot in an NHL arena for two years...I think Top 45 is pretty damn good. Now quit nitpicking! LOL

What else...Avtsyn - HUGE upside, but will he hit it? Doubtful...doubtful enough to drop him in real drafts...but not doubtful enough to drop him in fantasy drafts!

Not too bad with the criticism this month fellas, I actually didn't mind explaining things. Keep it nice every month like this and you'll save me some anxiety! LOL

July 13, 2009
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Les said:

	Avtsyn Just wondering the reasoning behind him being so high on the prospect list, but not getting drafted until the 4th round.
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July 12, 2009
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Eric Daoust said:

	... Dobber: thanks for the heads up. Perhaps it is time that I buy your full fantasy package and get the full insight on everyone. I'll be taking care of that in the next couple weeks (traveling a lot right now).
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July 12, 2009
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bluejays said:

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To pick up on Randy Mollar.
I agree with his point. MPS was dropped to 10, but is that the excuse to drop him so much. After all Schroeder went what #22 and is ranked much better??? That does not make any sense. A 95 pt upside for MPS and 80+ to your guide, and MPS is drafted 10 picks better. I don't understand that. MPS was spoken so highly on this site, and now he's way down.
I too agree with Kane-Schroeder. Kane will be a 1st liner within 2 yrs. I would take him over Schenn and Kadri, yet why he's ranked so low, I have no idea.

July 12, 2009
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Glen Hoos said:

	Kane? Dobber, why the big difference between Kane and Schenn? From everything I've read, their potential is similar, and with the relative strength of LA's roster vs. Atlanta, it seems like Kane has a better chance of landing in the show (and in a scoring role) sooner than Schenn.
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July 12, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... If I'm ever in a league that is so deep that Hillier and Parse are my best options...I would just say "pass" when it comes to my selection and save myself a possible hand cramp from writing a name down on my sheet. Nothing under the hood here!
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July 12, 2009
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Eric Daoust said:

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Just wondering about Hillier and Parse. I'm looking over their careers and I see nothing special. Hillier was in the ECHL last season while Parse is barely established in the AHL. Is there something under the hood about these two that make them legitimate prospects? I'm wondering because I'm making a draft list for a very old league (most of the guys in the top 215 are owned in the league already) and a good part of my draft board is based on these rankings. Hillier and Parse are candidates to be available to me in the middle rounds...

July 11, 2009
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AFlyers66 said:

	... Dobber, with your note regarding Dadonov's FLA signing, and Mursak dropping like a rock in the rankings, drop Mursak to pick up Dadonov and stash away in minors?
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July 11, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... Randy - why did he drop in the draft? That doesn't concern you? If he was picked fifth, then he'd be ahead of Schenn on this list
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July 11, 2009
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Randy Millar said:

Paajarvi-Svensson
Dobber what gives with this guy, in the prospect you had him as thethird best forward available & Bugg him at #2...now Schenn is 25 spots higher and Kadri is even ranked higher whom you had at #9.

So what gives?

I know your a Leaf fan and all and it is Edmonton, but why such a drop so quickly? smilies/wink.gif

I drafted this guy on your advice and am concerned already...lol

Thanks and great job on the site...nice!

July 11, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... Cole is 39th. That's still quite good. Moller vs. Purcell, I still feel that way. My formula likes Moller because he is a guaranteed NHL. Purcell is likely...but not guaranteed. What else....Soderberg - don't overrate, Boston is deep even without those two guys to start the year. Hell Rickard Wallin has a better chance in Toronto than Soderberg does in Boston this year.
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July 10, 2009
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Rad64 said:

	Ian Cole Hey Dobbs, I read this kid, Cole, might be ready this year..no fantasy impact since he doesn't appear on your list? Thanks!
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July 10, 2009
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Chris J said:

No love for Soderberg?
Surprised that Sods is so low. It looks like he is coming to training camp this year, and the GM said that with Krejci and Kessel out of action to start, he may be able to jump right in.

He has the skills to make an impact right away and it looks like he now has the oppourtunity to go with them. I may be drunk with expectations, as I just grabbed him, but I think he will make a splash if he sticks. And I think he will stick!

July 10, 2009
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Mike Terrion said:

	... very interesting !!! I remember a few months ago Dobber wrote that he would not trade Purcell straight up for Moller. Now he has Moller ranked slightly higher. I wonder what prompted that change? I'm not complaining since I own Moller. But the Smyth trade should have affected them equally, so I don't know why Moller vaulted Teddy.
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July 10, 2009
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Ryan Lenethen said:

	All that is Man! Well I protected Nikita Filatov from last year, and I did so horrible I get first pick which will be John Tavares, so my future is looking bright!
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July 10, 2009
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Eric Daoust said:

	... Sweet, looks great!
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July 10, 2009
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Dobber said:

	... FYI Vishnevsky is 31, Ellis is 37, Weber is 44, Salcido 34. Weber was an oversight, he should be around 30th for the next update.
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July 10, 2009
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